How Patrick Keller Made the Leap from Education to Podcast Editing

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- How much is that?

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- Welcome to the Podcast Editors Mastermind,

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the original podcast.

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I think there is more now,

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but the original podcast dedicated to the business side

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of podcast editing.

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And tonight we have a very special show for you.

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Something that I don't think we've done before.

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So we're really excited about this,

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but before we get into it,

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a little introduction to who we are.

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I am Daniel Abendroth.

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You can find me at rothemedia.audio.

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My co-host tonight.

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- Jennifer Longworth of Bourbon Barrel Podcasting.

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- Unfortunately not joining us tonight is Bryan Entzminger.

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He had to do some parenting thing,

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like be there for his kids band thing.

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I don't know.

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You think this would be priority,

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but allow it. - Oh well.

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- You can find him at toptieraudio.com

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and delightful long distance Yeti, Carrie Arick.

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You can find her at carrie.land.

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And tonight we have a very special guest who,

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if you are familiar with the show

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and I've listened to it for any amount of time

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or seen the stream,

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you would recognize probably our most consistent viewer.

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I would say it's almost always,

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it's weird whenever you don't show up.

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But tonight we have none other than Patrick Keller.

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Patrick, thank you so much for joining us.

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- I'm excited to be here.

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Thanks for having me.

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- Why don't you start off by telling us

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a little bit about yourself.

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I know you've recently had kind of a big life update.

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So why don't you tell us a little about who you are.

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- Yeah, I am a retired music teacher,

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public school music teacher.

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That's a little unusual.

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I'm a little younger than the average retired music teacher

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or teacher in general.

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But I had the opportunity and the ability

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to purchase some years toward retirement

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and put the math together and figured out

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that we could make it work and have a supportive husband.

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And so I bought four years, if I didn't already say that.

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And so I started looking into editing my own podcast

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has always kind of been my jam

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and the background behind the scenes stuff.

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And so I began looking for,

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and I honestly don't remember how I found you.

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I don't know if it was a Steve Stewart recommendation,

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but I found your show, I'm gonna guess like a year

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and a half ago around then.

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And well, not long after you started, I guess.

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- Been four years now.

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- Well, then it wasn't that long ago.

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It was a couple of years ago.

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- Yeah, because I binged, I binged a whole bunch.

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That's why I feel like I've been there the whole time.

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And so I totally loved it.

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I nerded out.

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I felt like even before I caught up

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with watching live shows, I felt like I knew you all

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and just love learning.

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I love some of the early shows.

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I love a lot of your earlier shows

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where you all really got into a lot of the nuts

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and bolts stuff on how you did things

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and what your processes were.

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Those are my favorites.

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So hint, hint, you should have some more of those.

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I absolutely loved those.

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But anyway.

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- Well, my process has totally changed

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in the last three months,

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so I could probably do another one of those shows.

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- Yeah.

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I feel like I'm pretty-

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- Upstate.

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- Yeah, yeah, definitely.

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Okay, I made a note to address that in an upcoming episode.

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- Awesome.

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Yeah, well, then I began thinking about

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whether I wanted to kind of start my own business,

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editing business, and assumed that's probably

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what I would do.

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And I guess that could still be in my future.

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But I ended up interviewing for a contractor position

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for a nonprofit education association,

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a fairly large organization, and got that.

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And so, and that position has kind of grown.

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And so it's just the perfect amount of work for me.

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I produce and edit two shows on average a week,

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as well as like the behind the scenes

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kind of recording it live.

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One of them is a live show.

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The other's a prerecorded show.

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One of them uses StreamYard, just like we are now,

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and the other, we're on Riverside.

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And I work with a team, which is cool experience.

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And that started this last summer.

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And so it's been my first experience of doing,

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having a lot of the volume of editing

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and editing things that aren't my own podcast.

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And I'm loving it.

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I absolutely love it.

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I, you know, like a lot of podcasters probably,

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we think we, oh sure, I know everything now.

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I know everything there is to know about editing.

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And then all of a sudden you, you know,

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get a job like this and like, just kidding.

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I have lots to learn still.

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And I've made, I've learned from mistakes.

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And you know, as a teacher, you know,

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you work in teams and things in education,

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but it's a lot different than like the kind of corporate,

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nonprofit environment.

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And so that's been an interesting learning experience.

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And it's just been, it's been really fun.

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It's the perfect amount of work for me

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and allowing me to still do my own podcast,

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which I do about every two weeks.

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- Awesome.

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Well, I didn't actually specify what makes tonight special.

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So instead of like having an expert on or somebody on

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to talk about a specific topic,

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we wanted to bring on just like members of the community

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or other podcast editors and just kind of talk about,

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so I guess we call it like community highlight,

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but just highlighting other editors in this space.

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- I'm the community.

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- Yeah.

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So that's what tonight's all about.

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And we're really excited to have Patrick on,

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in case you couldn't tell already.

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So why don't we start by telling us like,

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what got you into podcasting in general?

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- My husband introduced me to podcasts in around 2008.

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And so for a couple of years,

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I had like two podcasts that I listened to and that was it.

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But I listened to them.

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- Do you remember what those were?

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- Yes.

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The Paranormal Podcast by Jim Harreld.

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And probably it was really just his

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for at least a year or so.

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And I would, you know,

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religiously watch the calendar and the time

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and wait for him to upload the podcast.

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And you know, at that time I was sticking my iPod

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on the computer and loading it in iTunes and all that.

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I don't even remember how all that worked,

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but I remember it was a lot more work than it is now.

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And so I was a huge fan of just one to two shows

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and was very devoted to those shows.

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And it was partly his inspiration in talking to him.

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At the time he had a little podcasting course,

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it was short-lived.

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He didn't have it for very long,

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but I think I was his one and only graduate

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of his podcasting course.

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And that was in like 2013, I think.

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In 2014, I started my show and since then

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have been obsessively passionate about podcasting in general

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and geeky about all the podcasts about podcasting podcasts.

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And you know, I use Overcast.

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My Overcast has so many podcasts in it now

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that it's ridiculous.

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And I don't very often empty out my player

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and I go in and out of phases of,

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and now that I'm doing more work like this,

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the more you edit a podcast,

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the less time you have to listen to podcasts, which is-

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- Oh, you figured it out.

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- Yeah. - Yeah.

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- So I'm way behind, I'm way behind.

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But that was my, you know, the paranormal and nerdy.

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I had a paranormal investigation team

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for a couple of years, got very into, you know,

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paranormal research and tons of reading

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and still do a little bit of that from time to time.

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And of course that's what we nerd out about and chat about

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in my podcast, The Big Séance Podcast.

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- I was just gonna ask you to tell us about your podcast.

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- You know, the paranormal gets super nerdy

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and is a huge umbrella of a lot of nerdy geeky things.

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We don't typically go down the Bigfoot road

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or the aliens and UFOs.

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And there's, I mean, there's lots of things in paranormal,

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if you think of coast to coast, you know, AM like that.

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But we pretty much stay focused on spirit communication.

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I know I probably get a lot of eye rolls now or giggles,

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psychic mediums, paranormal investigation,

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ghosts in general, that kind of thing.

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I could talk about those.

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The afterlife, what happens when we die, that kind of thing.

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And I can, you know, chat about those topics

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for hours and hours and hours.

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- Have you done, was it the limp mansion in St. Louis?

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- Yes, I have stayed there probably three times.

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And one of the times I stayed there,

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I was pretty much by myself, like literally by myself,

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no husband, just me.

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There was one other couple that stayed there,

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but I never saw them.

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They were on another floor and that almost made it creepier

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that I knew that there was someone else there,

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but I never saw them.

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So like walking around, like not knowing

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who you were gonna bump into or what they were doing

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was almost creepier, but yes, I have stayed there.

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- So I presume this is some sort of local

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that you two knew about that I have no idea

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what you're talking about.

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- Sorry, you're a little too local.

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- This is the limp mansion, the famous kind of tragic

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limp family, millionaires from the early 1900s,

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beer barons, you know, lots of death and suicides

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in this one mansion, but it's very cool and spooky.

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- All right, so what DAW do you use to edit?

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- I use Adobe Audition.

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- Yay.

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- And love it.

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I'm sure I don't get close to the capabilities

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that are there for me to use,

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but I feel like every now and then I will discover something

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and be like, oh, cool, wish I would have known that.

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But I use Adobe Audition and iZotope RX-10.

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Since I've started my current position,

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I've been using it a lot more as the standalone editor.

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I learned from Carrie, took her RX course,

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and I took a lot of practice and experimenting.

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So yeah, I do most of my processing.

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You know, sometimes I'll spend,

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depending on how big the show is or how many guests,

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I'll spend 40 minutes to an hour just in RX-10,

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making it sound good before I put it into Audition.

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Before that, I used to use a ton of plugins,

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you know, that was slowed down Audition.

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And so that's what inspired me to use RX as a standalone.

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And it's so much better, I feel now, but it took practice.

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I couldn't just open it up and start using it.

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I remember sending Carrie a few of my tests

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when I first started using it.

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And she'd be like, oh, honey, let's try that again, okay?

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- Aw. - Try that again, shall we?

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- Oh, that's so great.

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- Bryan is catching this from the comments tonight,

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so maybe we will hear some from Bryan.

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Hey, Bryan.

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- Hi, Bryan. - Welcome in.

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And if you're listening to the recording of this

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or to watching the video later on,

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and you wanna be a part of the live stream,

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just like Bryan is tonight,

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and the great thing about this is being able to interact

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and ask your own questions

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and just have like a little community kind of group feel.

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And if that's something you're interested in,

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then we do this, we live stream this

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pretty much every other Thursday at 805 p.m. Central time.

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And you can just check out our Facebook page group

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or YouTube channel.

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- But sad, sad news, Daniel.

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Facebook is shaking things up,

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and you're gonna have to find us on the YouTube stream.

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I think YouTube will still stream us live,

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but Facebook won't.

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Okay, so yeah, check us out on YouTube.

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Just do a search for Podcast Editors Mastermind,

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and we'll put a link to our YouTube channel

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in the show notes, as always,

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that you can find at podcasteditorsmastermind.com.

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So Patrick, what, well, I guess this seems kind of,

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I think we kind of talked about it a little bit,

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your switch from editing your own show

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to editing for somebody else.

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Tell us like how that came to be

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and like how that experience has been.

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- This has been probably the biggest part

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of what I have learned

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and the majority of what I've been learning

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is when I edit my own show,

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I have always been pretty obsessive and detailed,

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and I'm not diagnosed,

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but pretty obsessive compulsive about things.

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And I was always known to spend 10, 12 hours

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editing a podcast, just an interview,

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but also putting little bells and whistles and segments

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and I really nerdy about intros

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and creating a story and my intros and outros.

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And so, I mean, I just love doing it.

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And so I would spend way too long,

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but it wasn't work, it was my hobby.

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It was love doing it.

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And so I went into this job knowing

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that they're not going to want me to spend 15 hours

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on an interview podcast.

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So I knew that that was gonna be my first big challenge

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to speed up that process and pick my battles,

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but learn how to do the most important things quickly.

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And so that has been the biggest challenge

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and I'm getting a little quicker.

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I feel like in a way I'm getting better,

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not sitting there and stewing on certain things,

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but I am pretty picky.

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And I mean, you guys know there's kind of a science to it,

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what you leave, what you modify,

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what crosstalk you separate, what crosstalk you,

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what interjections you just say,

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do I need the host to say, mm-hmm, 72 times,

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you know, in an interview, can I leave a couple of them

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and get rid of a couple of them?

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You know, that kind of thing.

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- Oh, that's a trigger for me.

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It's like the constant mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

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Especially when they do like a single track recording

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and I can't do anything about it.

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- And I tend to, you know, like when I do my own show,

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like sometimes I get in this rut of, not really a rut,

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because I like doing it,

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but like sometimes every little minute cut,

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I'll be like, okay, now I have to duck it and fade it

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and fade it and move it and shift it.

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And it's like, get over yourself, just cut it.

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- Just cut.

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- Yeah, just cut, make sure you don't hear a pop,

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but cut it and, you know, duck it a little bit and move on.

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- Do you ever ask your husband to listen to it

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to see if he notices it?

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- I think probably in my own show years ago,

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I did that a lot, but I used to be,

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okay, don't laugh, but you guys may have done this too.

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I used to do a car test every podcast episode

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that I produced.

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So after I, I actually would do it before I published it.

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So like in Lipson, I would schedule it

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so the file was there and then I would get,

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jump in my car and I would drive around

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and at least listen to half the show

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and figure out what it sounded like in a car,

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because it's different than headphones.

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And in those days, before I was using Audition

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and learning about how to do normalization better

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and maximize volume and all of that,

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I would very often hear something and be like,

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ugh, and then come back up to the computer

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and re-edit and re-explore and, you know,

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balance the music with the, you know, that kind of thing.

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But yeah, I'm sure I did have, to answer your question,

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I'm sure I did have my husband do that.

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You know, I do too many nerdy things like that now.

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He'd be like, I don't have time, I'm working.

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He does help me out though with graphics and things.

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He's like a good marketing, advertising person.

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And so all my graphics for my own show,

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he's very supportive of that kind of thing,

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but I don't think he listens to too many of my shows.

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That's not his jam.

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- Yeah, that's fair.

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Yeah, so many times, like I'll be struggling with this edit

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and like, I'm trying to make it sound natural,

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but like I can hear it.

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But like, and I call my wife in,

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I'll play it for her over and over again.

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And she's like, I do not hear what you're like, stop.

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We can just move on.

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This is ridiculous.

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- And does it ever bug you all?

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I'm sure you guys have talked about this

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and I'm sure I'm forgetting,

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but you work so hard and are so passionate about,

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even with this company that I'm editing for,

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I want them to be like, oh wow,

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I noticed the six hours of blah, blah, blah that you put,

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but it's supposed to be so smooth that you don't know.

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- You don't know we were there.

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- And so when somebody says, oh yeah, great work.

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That was good.

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I'm like, but where's the paragraph of acknowledgement?

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- I'll say it's bittersweet that like my best work,

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you'll never notice it.

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Because like there'll be times like I'll take,

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like a client will mess up

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and have like three different versions of like the same word

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and I'll like take a bit of each word

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and like piece it together into like this smooth thing.

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It's like, nobody is ever gonna know I did that.

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- In the back of my mind, I'm always like,

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I really should do a comparison and put that out with that.

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Just so everybody knows exactly how much of a God I was

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in this episode that I.

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- Yes, we should do that.

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I have thought about doing like,

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Mike Wilkerson, he does like his El Moro role or whatever.

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But just like, there's one client who makes

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like really funny noises whenever she messes up.

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And I want to take, just make like a super cut of her

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just going like, blah, oh yeah.

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Every time she messes up.

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- That's fine.

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So I was just gonna ask how you found this mega client.

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- I found this fabulous company actually

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through the Editor's Mastermind group.

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- Oh.

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- And I think it was Bryan, I think,

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who actually connected me or reached out.

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- 'Cause you know that's the number one question.

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- I didn't even think to mention that.

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- That's awesome.

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- Everybody wants to know how you find your clients.

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So Bryan is chiming in, he says,

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it's all about knowing me to find your clients.

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I can't find my own clients, but I can probably find yours.

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- Well, Bryan, you wanna send some my way.

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- This particular client would not have been for everyone.

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I remember looking at the, you know, the company's wishes

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and kind of the requirements of the, you know,

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like I said, fast turnaround.

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And it hasn't ended up being,

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they wanted really fast turnaround.

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It hasn't been as fast as I thought it would be.

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So I do have some freedoms with that,

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but it is like the live show.

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We record every Sunday night.

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And so it's a couple of hours of producing it,

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recording it, being there on StreamYard,

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doing, you know, the video side of things,

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and then late into the evening, editing that,

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and putting it up for the audio version.

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So that's the fast turnaround, but I'm a late nighter.

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And when this is your only gig now,

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and you get to sleep in and enjoy sleeping in,

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I just stay up late and I do it

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and sleep late the next day.

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- That's so nice.

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'Cause like, yeah, I don't think I could,

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I'm a night owl, but I'm not productive at night.

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So like, my productivity, like my work is like mid morning

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to early afternoon.

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So like, if I have to work late, it's just, it's a slog.

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So like, I couldn't do that.

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- See, I'm the off-visit,

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and that's why retirement works better for me.

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You know, how many years did I,

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21 years that I taught not being my best

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and most productive during the first part of the day,

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and then I wake up in the evenings and I'm like.

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- Mm-hmm.

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I will say I'm also productive late afternoon

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if I've gotten a nap in.

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- Yeah, Bryan says, yeah,

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there's no way I could have met their needs.

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- They've been more flexible on those needs though, Bryan.

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I think that once they understood more kind of,

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they were kind of new to the podcasting space.

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And so learning how to, it's a new podcasting network.

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It's a podcasting network for this company.

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And so it's been a growth for them too,

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and we've done it together.

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And so it's not been as, I was worried about that too,

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but was willing to, you know,

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take that challenge to try to do it.

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And it's been cool.

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- And Bryan says, that's great.

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Super happy, it's more flexible than originally expected

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and a great purpose behind the shows.

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So you handle, like you participate in like,

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not just the editing and post-production,

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but actually like in the production of the shows?

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- It's changed a bit.

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When I first started the first couple of months

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this last summer, it was interesting.

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I still don't get it,

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but they had a backlog of unproduced episodes.

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So interviews, just raw audio

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from a couple of different shows,

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going back like a year in some situations.

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And they just didn't have an editor.

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And so what I did for two or three months

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was just edit at whatever speed I could,

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edit a whole bunch of podcasts,

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which was good experience

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before we jumped into a regular schedule.

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So none of, there wasn't any live

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or prerecorded anything yet for me.

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And then as we got into a schedule

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and picked up doing them live again or prerecording,

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for the most part at the beginning,

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I was just there for the recording

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and making sure everything sounded as good as possible,

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being kind of the contact for the guest

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and emailing and giving them a StreamYard link

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or a Riverside link, giving them recommendations,

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kind of instructions.

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And then the live show is quickly turning

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into more of a traditional kind of producer prepare,

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fill the host in on what they need.

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It's getting to be a little more of a traditional,

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I guess, broadcasting producer role,

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light version of that.

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So that's been interesting.

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And so we've been, the team has been talking about,

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what does that need to look like?

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And what does the pre-interview,

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what do we need from the pre-interview

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so that our hosts no longer will have to do that,

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do the whole, it's a big company and they,

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with budgets and so we don't need to be doing,

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like we're just hobby podcasting

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at the last minute cramming stuff.

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It's like, we need, we can do this

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and be more of a production and a network.

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And so we're streamlining who's gonna do this,

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who's gonna do that.

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So yeah, I'm gaining every couple of weeks.

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I feel like I gain a few things that fall on my duties.

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- Has Go creep been an issue in that regard?

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- Has what creep?

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- Scope creep.

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So like whenever you first like,

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whenever you first like come to terms,

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like agree with like how much you're gonna be paid

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versus for like what work you're doing,

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then like a client might be,

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hey, can you also do this, do this, do this.

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One of my early clients, before I was charging,

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I was charging way too little back then.

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And so like I was doing like just editing a show

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and then he wanted to add in like video

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and then he wanted me to start doing the show notes,

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but I never charged him more because it's just like here,

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here's one little thing that at the time,

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not a big deal to add onto my plate,

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but then like as you start adding on more and more,

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now you've doing like way more than you're getting paid for.

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- I'm remembering now you all talking about scope creep.

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For me, it doesn't apply because I'm hourly.

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- Oh, perfect.

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That's one way to solve that.

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- Yeah.

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- So what have you learned through this process?

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You know, the more you learn,

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the more you realize what you don't know,

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but what are some of the things you're picking up on?

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- I jotted down a few things like that.

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One of the things was we already talked about

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was learning to do what I do kind of on the clock

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and because it's hourly, right?

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That's I guess one of the main reasons

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why it's important for me to do

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what I was doing better and faster.

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You know, other things are like working with a team,

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obviously I don't make every decision necessarily myself.

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And so there's this collaborating thing

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or waiting for a response,

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or you might get a, and it's different than like a client,

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right, I might get a, hey, can you take another look at this

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and maybe edit this or blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, right?

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So that kind of thing, collaborating.

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But also I've learned that sometimes I overprocess things

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and what somebody might not necessarily contact me

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on my own show and say, you know,

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this seems a little too processed or too, you know,

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compressed or S's are too harsh or, you know,

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just whatever, sibilance or whatever it is.

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As I've learned RX, I got really excited, right?

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Oh, look at all these tools I have to me now that I'm,

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and so I've learned that I,

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there's a side effect to processing too much

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and that is degrading the audio quality, right?

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And so that combined with me trying to get faster,

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you know what I'm saying?

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Like, so in the back of my mind, I'm always thinking,

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okay, I've got to hurry, I'm on the clock.

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I can't take four hours to do this.

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I'm learning to do it faster, right?

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And there have been a few times where it's like,

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I should have gone with my instincts and reprocess this

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before I started editing.

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But then after you process it and then you start editing

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and you're two hours into editing,

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the last thing you want to do is start having second

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thoughts and go back and start all over.

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And so I went in doubt, I actually process less now.

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And I always pull the slider down a little bit

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on each thing.

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That's been a more recent kind of lesson.

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- That's kind of part of the downfall.

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Cause I have a similar workflow to you and to her.

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Like I start in RX and do a lot of my processing there.

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And then I bring it into my DAW to do all the editing

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and whatnot.

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And I'll do a little more tweaking there.

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But then I find like, if I did something in RX,

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like too harsh or like I messed it up,

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you've kind of already processed the audio.

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But what you can do is like go back in RX,

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redo it and just overwrite the file that you're looking at

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in your DAW.

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Does that make sense?

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- Dude, send me the instructions on how to do that.

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What?

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- Yeah, yeah.

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You can do that.

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- Yeah, with the other track of editors.

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Did I use Reaper?

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I don't know exactly how to do it, but like.

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- It's the same thing.

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- Yeah.

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So you out, you export the audio from RX somewhere,

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bring it into Audition.

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- Please hold writing down this note.

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(laughing)

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- Yeah, it works for Audition too.

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- Cool.

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- Yeah.

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So then as long as you either keep the project open in RX

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or actually save the RX project,

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it'll keep like your entire processes.

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And then you can just like undo

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and then like redo whatever you messed up

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and just overwrite that same file, the same name.

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So whatever Audition goes to check that file,

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I'm assuming it works the same way.

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Now it's looking at the newly processed file.

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Now we don't have to go back

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and fix all your edits from before and like redo everything.

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- Stop it.

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Neat.

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So I'll be hooking up with Jennifer later

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so she can show me how to do that.

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(laughing)

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I need to do a video on that for Reaper.

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- Yeah, you're just renaming the file

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that just save the new file

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with the same name as the old file and then poof.

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So like when you're uploading to your media host

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and you don't wanna lose your downloads with the new file,

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you have to name it the exact same thing.

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Yeah, same type of thing.

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- Okay, cool.

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But yeah, before I started doing this,

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it wasn't a problem because I did everything with plugins.

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- Yeah.

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- Right?

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So if you're an hour into editing something

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and you realize there's an issue,

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you can just adjust the plugin.

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It would be cool if you immediately noticed a problem

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at the beginning when you're editing,

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but you don't always notice it right when you start.

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- Right.

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- And Alejandro is popping in with the hi guys.

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For those that don't know,

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Alejandro is the person who edits this show

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because even though we're podcast editors,

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we don't like to edit ourselves

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and he does a fantastic job.

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So if you're listening to the audio version of this podcast,

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which will be dropping a week after the live stream,

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you have Alejandro to thank for the quality of it.

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- Thanks, Alejandro.

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- So another trick, does Audition have RX Connect

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or anything like that?

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- I don't know what that is.

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- I don't know what that is.

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- So I think RX Connect is, it's like a plugin,

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but you can like, it connects like your DAW to RX,

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standalone RX.

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Reaper doesn't have that direct thing,

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but basically what I can do in Reaper is like click on

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the file I want to process more,

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and then it'll open that file in RX.

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I can make do more processing and then save it in RX

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and it'll update automatically in Reaper.

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Very similar to what I kind of mentioned before,

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but basically it just connects RX to your DAW

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so you can kind of work on them simultaneously.

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Very cool stuff.

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- See y'all, come be a guest on Podcast Editors Mastermind

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so that you can get professional development

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and learn to fix what you're doing wrong.

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- On that one, I do have a video on how to do that in Reaper.

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So is the network you're working for now,

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is that your first professional client

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that's not your own show?

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- Yes.

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Other than, you know, over the years,

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I have helped a few people get shows off the ground,

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showing them how to use Audition,

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or I'm sure I've edited a few things here and there.

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I've created a few intros for people, that kind of thing.

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But yeah, as far as like professional editing,

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this is the totality of my experience outside of my own show,

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which I've been doing for about 10 years.

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- Do you want to do more?

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- You know, I've been thinking about that.

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I think I would be open to it,

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but I'm so used to this process now

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and this whole hourly thing,

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that I don't know if I would do it the same way, you know,

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just do an hourly type thing.

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I think in the right situation, I would.

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You know, it's not like I would be looking

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to start that business.

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You know, if I found the right person who needed my help

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and wanted to pay me, I'd look into that, I think.

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Yeah.

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- Okay.

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- Are you recruiting there, Jennifer?

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- I'm just asking, just asking.

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Always kind of like finding out, you know.

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- Keep those angels out there.

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So do you consider yourself like,

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is this something you're just going to do as part of,

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like as an individual,

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or do you consider yourself like a business?

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- I think that I am liking this contractor,

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world.

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Does that make sense?

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- Yes.

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- Like I, as someone who does not have a business background,

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I'm liking what I'm doing,

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and I don't have the whole stress out about a business thing.

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- Yeah.

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- I also, I also am not in a situation

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where I absolutely have to have the work.

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You know what I'm saying?

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Cause I'm getting a pension.

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It's not the largest pension in the world,

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but you know, I'm getting a pension

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and this is just to kind of help me, right?

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Does that make sense?

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- Yeah.

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- If I can manage to keep doing this

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and stay in this kind of contractor world,

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I think that probably suits me.

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- I love that.

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- And I don't know how much I'm getting paid

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compared to other models, you know,

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business models or whatever.

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I'm sure I'm working way too hard,

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but you know, like I don't necessarily, you know,

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and I don't leave the house much.

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I'm a, I've always said I'm a recluse in training.

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So this is my activity.

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And then I go watch TV a little bit.

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I don't have kids and.

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- You enjoying your life right now?

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- I'm enjoying life.

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I'm enjoying staying up late and sleeping in.

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I do a few piano lessons on the side too.

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So I have that to keep me busy a little bit.

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- I love the life that like this profession,

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whatever you want to call it, like lets me have,

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because like I'll stay up super late playing video games

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whenever I want to and like sleep in the morning

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and then do my work whenever I want to.

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And just, it's a very enjoyable life.

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- Yeah, there's, I don't mean to get fluffy,

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but I miss a lot of things about being a teacher

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and education in the last, even before COVID,

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things in education have changed and it's gotten harder

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and more stressful, not in a good way.

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And educators are leaving the field in droves.

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And I was just fortunate to be far enough along,

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at least in my state where I could afford.

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And I had a 403B, which is like a 401k for public workers.

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And so that was the one of the smartest things I ever did

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was have that because that allowed me to buy the years.

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And it was my body already.

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Like I, you know, sometimes some teachers have to wake up

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at 4.30 or 5.30.

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And when you're not a morning person and you know,

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you can't just calling in sick is a little different

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when you're a teacher and you have to make,

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spend four hours doing sub plans or,

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but I guess what I'm going to,

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the stress and the mental health situation was not good.

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And so it was kind of a put the mask on yourself first

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kind of situation and take care of myself.

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Now I have unintended side effects of now I'm not getting

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as much activity when you sit down and work more,

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when you're not working with middle school kids

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up and about and everything,

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I had to remind myself more to get up

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and go get some exercise or touch the grass,

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sit on the deck, take a walk.

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And I'm not doing a very good job with that right now,

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but mental health, much better.

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I'm like a completely different person.

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So like you're saying, yes, this is the right,

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this is the perfect world for me right now.

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- That's amazing.

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- And I just wish everybody was in a position

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where they could figure out how to make that work.

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'Cause I know not everybody can, I'm very fortunate.

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- Do you see a possibility of like mixing the two

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as far as like doing some sort of podcasting class,

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like teaching in school districts?

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- Actually did for a number of years.

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I have always taught vocal music for half the day

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for all 21 years that I taught.

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Half the day I taught vocal music choir.

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And for like the first 12 years,

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I taught piano keyboarding for the other half of the day.

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And then for like at least eight years,

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the last eight years that I taught,

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I helped to me and another colleague put together

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and produced a music production course for middle school.

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And at the time it was one of the only,

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there aren't a lot of middle schools for sure

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that have a program like that or a lab.

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And our district is,

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we have five middle schools in our district.

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It's a large district.

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So it needed to be a program that could be

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in all five middle schools.

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It took us a couple of years to put it together.

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And we took some,

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a couple of us went to some field trips

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on different college campuses or different high schools

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that had similar things.

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And at that time I was just getting started podcasting

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or had been a year into it.

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And I was totally geeking out and I was like,

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we are gonna have podcasting

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in this music production course.

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So for at least one or two classes a day,

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once a quarter for like a week or two,

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I did a podcasting unit.

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And so four times a year got to teach this podcasting unit

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for a couple of classes, loved it.

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And I like to think I got some young Gen Z

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or whatever gen at the time interested in podcasting.

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- That's so cool.

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- Yeah.

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- 'Cause there's somebody else,

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like another podcast editor in the community

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who does something similar.

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She has like, she teaches in school,

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like she just podcasting in schools.

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I think that's just the coolest thing.

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So all those things like I'd love to do,

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but I have no idea how to get started.

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That's kind of where the ambition dies.

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- And that was that.

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- Yeah, oh well.

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- Yeah, I remember my husband a couple of years ago,

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or I guess several years ago, that was one thing.

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He was like, well, you should look into like

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one of the community colleges,

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pitch doing something like that.

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And I never did, but that would have been,

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I guess there's too many elements involved,

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having a lab and what's the technology like

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and who's it for.

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And that's the other thing,

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like I did not expect in my life as a music educator

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that 10 years ago I would also be teaching computer skills.

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'Cause that's really what I did a lot of the time, right?

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Was computer skills.

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And at that time, 10 years ago, and now for sure,

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middle school kids will come in the room

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and some of them will look at a mouse and be like,

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excuse me, what?

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And because everything now is touch screen or on the phone.

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And you also have kids in middle school

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that sometimes look at, we have our Cisco phones

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and they're like looking at the receiver,

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like when they have to call home.

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And so I have to pick up the, you put this,

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because a lot of them haven't seen those things, right?

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So we assume that our kids now are techie peeps.

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The younger generation is always up with the technology,

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except for when it's an old school computer or iMac.

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I was constantly teaching them how to grab the file

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and put it in a folder or right clicking on something.

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Or they were like, what Mr. Keller, you're so smart.

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I'm like, no, I'm just old.

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And this is what we used when I was your age.

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- I saw something about that where it's like,

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millennials and like Gen X are more tech savvy

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than Gen Z and younger.

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Because when we were growing up, things didn't just work.

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Like one thing is like,

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kids don't know about coding or anything.

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It's like, yeah, 'cause like millennials

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like coded their MySpace pages.

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And it's like, our computers like mess up all the time.

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We had to know how to go in and fix it.

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Whereas now like with the advanced technology,

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your phones just work as expected.

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So you don't need to problem solve

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and like really get into kind of like technical aspect of it

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because like things just work.

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I also saw this thing.

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It's like, it was like comparing like Gen Z to millennials.

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Like make a hand motion to like call somebody.

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And so of course like millennials would do this,

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but Gen Z would do like this or something.

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- Well, and rolling a window down on the car.

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- That was another one.

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(laughing)

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Or like, what is this like a save icon

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on a document or something?

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Like, they just don't know what that icon is.

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- Well, another example of that is like in my kids

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would use GarageBand 'cause it was a Mac lab

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for our music production class.

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And so I would tell them, just press stop.

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And they're like, what?

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Like, what's that?

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And like, I'm like, the stop button.

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And they have no idea that square is stop.

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They have no idea that the triangle is play sometimes

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or how to go back, like the rewind button.

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And they're like, what?

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And I'm like, just hit the space bar.

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Okay, just hit the space bar.

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- All right, so this is the last question I got for you.

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Outside of podcasting, and I know you are into Supernatural

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and all that fun stuff, but outside that and podcasting,

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what are some hobbies that you enjoy?

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- Hobbies, I love reading.

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I go in and out of reading though.

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Like I'll read a book every couple of weeks

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for like a couple of months and then I'll be like,

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oh, I'm done reading.

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And then I'll listen to more podcasts, right?

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Or like right now I haven't read in a while because,

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and if my husband's listening to this, he will laugh.

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He's very concerned about me

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because I have been obsessively watching old game shows

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on the buzzer network.

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Like check me in to a facility obsessed.

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So if I'm not editing something right now

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or giving a piano lesson,

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I've got my phone in front of my face watching concentration

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or password or the match game.

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- That's great, that's great.

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- But yeah, I'm obsessively collecting books.

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And I have to own the book that I read.

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So I love the dead tree versions of books

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and have a shelving ceremony.

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Every time I finished the book, it goes on the shelf.

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That's probably my, that's currently my nerdy

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outside of paranormal hobbies.

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- I love it.

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- Well, you're familiar with our show

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and you know that at this point of the show,

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we traditionally gone to the pod decks question of the day,

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but we went through the pod decks

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and we're repeating questions.

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So now we have powered by AI, the chat GPT random question

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of the day.

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- Oh, so excited.

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- So here we go.

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If you can visit any place in the world,

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real or fictional, where would you go and why?

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- And if you are watching this live,

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feel free to leave your answer in the comments,

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or if you are listening to this or watching this

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in the future, be sure to leave a comment wherever you can

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and let us know what your answer is.

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- I'm gonna be really dorky and give you a answer

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you probably didn't expect.

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I would go into a fictional Goonies world.

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I wanna go to, what is it Astoria in Goonies,

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like in Oregon.

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And, but I wanna go back to like 1984 Goonies.

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I want to break into that cave and see the giant ship

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and jump in the food coloring, blue food coloring water

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and ride my bike, of course, and not be a fat old man,

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but ride my bike down the hill to the cave on the coast.

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- That's great.

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- If I had more time to think of,

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I'd probably come up with something else.

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But like the first thought that came to mind was like,

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I've always wanted to spend a year in Alaska

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or even like somewhere like in Scandinavian countries

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or something.

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So I wanna experience the Northern Lights,

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but I also want to experience like the six months of night,

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six months of day kind of thing.

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So I'd wanna live like super North for a year

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to have that full experience.

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- That is interesting.

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I don't know that I've heard anybody say

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they wanna experience that.

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- I don't know.

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It's just like something that I thought of

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for a very long time.

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Like I think it'd be cool to like spend

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like that six months in darkness.

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- You don't have any like winter depression mood things

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going on, that's in my family.

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There's a lot of that.

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So I don't know that I could do that

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for a long period of time.

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- I don't, at least I don't think so.

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I guess that's one way to find out for sure.

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Yeah, but I know that never happened

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because like my wife is staunchly opposed to that.

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So it'll forever be a dream.

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- But my answer, the first thing that popped in my head,

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because I saw a meme about it recently,

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but I'm gonna stick with it,

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is the Shire from Lord of the Rings

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because it's so green and friendly and happy.

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- And green.

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- And green, very green.

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- Yeah, well, thank you so much

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for coming on the show, Patrick.

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If people want to reach out to you

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or listen to your podcast, where can they go?

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- They can go to bigseance.com, which is my website.

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Patrick@bigseance.com, if something happens

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they want to email me, I guess.

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That's it.

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It's been an honor.

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Thank you for having me as your community on.

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And I look forward next time to jumping in the chat room.

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- Well, Jennifer, if there's somebody else

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that wants to be highlighted on our community highlights,

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what can they do about that?

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- They can go to podcasteditermastermind.com

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and click be a guest.

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I wanted to keep talking about Patrick's big seance

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'cause it's a bear I'm looking at,

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but no, go to podcasteditermastermind.com,

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click be a guest.

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- Awesome.

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Well, thank you, Patrick, for coming on

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and thank everybody who is here live

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and anybody in the future who's gonna be listening

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to the recording of this.

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And this has been an absolute pleasure

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and I can't wait to do it again.

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So I'm hoping people take us up on this

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or we can find somebody else to highlight

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'cause it's so cool just being able to talk

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about other people, other editors who are doing this.

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They've been absolute.

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- Love you, Bryan, love you, Carrie.

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- Yes.

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- Well, thank you so much for watching and listening.

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I'm Daniel Abendroth and you can find me

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at rothmedia.audio.

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- And I'm Jennifer Longworth.

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You can find me at birminghambarrelpodcasting.com.

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- And as Patrick has shouted out,

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our other Yetis, Bryan Entzminger,

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you can find at toptieraudio.com.

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And then our long distance Yeti, Carrie,

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you can find her at carrie.land.

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- Her Facebook says Caulfield.

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- Okay, there we go.

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Carrie Caulfield.

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Thank you so much.

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- How much is that?

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(gasps)

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- No.

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